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  This Forum. Has it changed? For the better or for the worse? Or not a at all?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  when i post i try to imagine that i am at a social gathering or sometimes in someone's house as a dinner guest.

  that way it is easier to follow the community guidelines and posting rules set out on the site at the bottom of the page.

  i wouldn't want to make a fool of myself in public.

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  joey jojo

  Well said Simon.

  As I have gotten older, I realise that most situations are not black and white and it's not healthy or helpful to categorise people or their views. Most people have a spectrum of beliefs.

  Personally, I am over the whole right - left argument. The more it's used, the more tribal the parties seem to become, as Cofty pointed out.

  A good example is the gun debate. What's wrong with loving the right to own guns, yet admit that allowing the general population easy access to guns carries inherent risks?
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  The Truth about the bible

  by TTWSYF in

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  2. bible

  it really is common sense, but nobody here seems to recognize or acknowledge this blatant and obvious truth.. the holy bible is the result of the catholic liturgy.

  they used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of their cannon.

  they picked, preserved and promoted these books and gave 'the word of god' to the world.. i know that pisses off some folks, but it is the truth [not the 'truth'tm].

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  joey jojo

  Hey TTWSYF,

  There are lots of threads about this subject on this site going back years.

  Worth a read if you like this subject.
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  Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  in response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.

  would they be  better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.

  would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.

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  joey jojo

  Thomas dam,

  You say that the 2nd amendment allows the citizen to have the same firepower as the government just in case the government needs to be brought back into line?

  Do you honestly believe that the U. S. government, or any other government would allow that situation to exist?
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  Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. jw
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  in response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.

  would they be  better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.

  would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.

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  joey jojo

  The cost of the freedom to bear arms is the risk of mass shootings of civilians.
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  Is social media to blame?

  by joey jojo in

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  i haven't seen any posts regarding the atrocity in christchurch and i just wanted to ask a question about social media's role.

  is it fair to blame social media giants for giving the offender a platform for his crime?

  what are the boundaries that they are expected to police?

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  joey jojo

  I haven't seen any posts regarding the atrocity in Christchurch and I just wanted to ask a question about social media's role.

  Is it fair to blame social media giants for giving the offender a platform for his crime? What are the boundaries that they are expected to police?

  Traditional media tell social media giants that they should act faster or do more to prevent crimes becoming viral. If that is fair, should car manufacturers be blamed if someone uses a car to commit a crime? Should the government be blamed if that criminal drives the car on federally funded freeways?

  It seems like a difficult question if we accept that social media exist as platforms for information.

  As an example, footage of JFK being assassinated is freely available. Why is that different?

  For the record, what happened in Christchurch is a tragedy and I believe social media should do everything they can to contain it.
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  A Question for Born-ins Who Had a Parent Leave the Cult Before They Did

  by jp1692 in

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  2. experiences

  question: have any of you that are now exjws had a parent leave the religion before you, and you shunned them because of that?

  if so—and while you were still in the cult—what, if anything, could your parent have done to reach your heart and begin a reconciliation?

  it’s been almost ten years since i left the religion and my two sons continue to shun me and rebuff all efforts i make to reconcile.

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  joey jojo

  Yes , I have had this experience.

  I didn't totally shun my Mother but I was so disappointed in her that still, after almost 30 yrs we are estranged.

  Not because she left the org but because she knew she was going to leave for many years beforehand and still insisted on being the typical JW parent. She was a trained professional before becoming a JW, yet she didnt allow higher education, any friends outside the org, no planning for a financial future, no sports, you get the idea. Yet she fell back on her profession for her entire life while I began life as a labourer and had menial jobs for many years after leaving school.

  Also, I felt a little shattered and betrayed to be honest. In my eyes she was a selfish, colossal hypocrite. There are other, more personal reasons too.

  After a few decades, I realised that you cannot control any other human being and someone that you really want answers from may not be willing or able to give them to you.

  I really wish you all the best.
  
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  The Barbara Anderson Appreciation Thread

  by Quillsky in

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  2. friends

  there are many newcomers who may see references on this website to barbara anderson but not understand the complete awesomeness of what she has done, and continues to do, in the pursuit of truth.. for those who don't know, a brief summary: barbara and her husband joe spent most of their lifetime being uber-witnesses, bringing 80 or so people into the organization and ending up at brooklyn bethel.

  barbara landed up in the sacred heart of bethel, the writing department, and wrote awake!

  articles.

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  joey jojo

  I only heard about Barbara Anderson because of this website. Thanks Simon.

  I am embarrassed to admit that it was only in the last month or so that I actually read her story in detail.

  I was fascinated by the accounts of the inner workings at world headquarters but strangely not surprised by the petty, vindictive nature of some people that worked there.

  It doesn't seem to matter how much effort you put in, or how sincere you are, or what you sacrifice for the organisation, the moment you question it you are treated like a leper.

  Barbara, if you read this, thanks for telling your story. 👍
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  Climate Change - True Believer or Skeptic?

  by Simon in

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  climate change ... who doesn't believe it?

  crazy fools and science deniers ... right?.

  it seems like it's become the new religion, the new orthodoxy, that must be accepted and believed as gospel and preached to all.. is it ok to be skeptical?.

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  joey jojo

  Climate scientists are describing something that needs to be fixed by taking action that will disrupt our lives. There are many people with vested interests that don't like the sound of that.

  I find it interesting that we literally put our lives in the hands of other scientific research without question, yet when it comes to global warming we are all expert critics.

  If global warming is responsible for increased extreme weather events, how long before the costs of these disasters force change?
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  Climate Change - True Believer or Skeptic?

  by Simon in

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  climate change ... who doesn't believe it?

  crazy fools and science deniers ... right?.

  it seems like it's become the new religion, the new orthodoxy, that must be accepted and believed as gospel and preached to all.. is it ok to be skeptical?.

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  joey jojo

  A healthy dose of skepticism is always a good idea.

  My take is that even if we are only 50% responsible for the warming of the planet we need to take steps right now to change our behaviour.

  If the science is right, the Antarctic ice core samples provide fairly compelling evidence. They have samples that are around 800 thousand years old and the gas samples taken show the atmosphere goes through an incredibly stable cycle every 100 thousand years, where the co2 levels rise and fall. Until the 1950s, when the co2 levels break out of cycle. Coincidentally, it's also the decade that humans started driving gas guzzlers en masse and airline industry started taking off.

  The sea levels are rising, expanding is probably a more accurate description and if the Antarctic ice sheet starts melting, then it's game over.

  Unlike other interested parties, what do climate scientists have to gain by publishing their research?
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  Need Help - How do I refute this???

  by HappyBlessedFree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was talking with my husband about all the things the organization is doing ie.

  hiding pedophiles, lying about what 1914 was etc.

  so his response was that the nation of israel had times when they weren’t doing the right thing, but it was still gods chosen organization.. another topic we were talking about was disfellowshipping.

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  joey jojo

  Depending on the personality of your partner, a point by point debate could take a long time and end up devolving until you are mentally exhausted.

  There is no easy answer because even if he agrees on some points, it may always come back to whether you believe the wts is gods appointed channel.